About Vaccinations And Aggressive Behavior…

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“To vaccinate or not to vaccinate” at this point is probably almost as deep of a question as “to be or not to be” is. The discussion around something as “simple” as a vaccine is huge and of course the two sides clash. I say of course but to be honest, I really don’t get it.

Touching on this subject is one of the hot irons. Just like politics, religion and sex. The opinions are strong. On both sides. While the group who decides to vaccinate their children builds their argument on scientific studies the anti-vaccination movement claims as well to be able to scientifically prove how much harm can be done by getting a shot.

I will not go into details here. Mainly because I have strong believes when it comes down to vaccinations. And I actually blame it on our doctor back home.

Back in Switzerland I had a friend whose daughter is about 2 years older than our son. She is a beautiful woman and also headstrong. I remember having a conversation with her, me being a new mom, she’s being somehow settled in the motherhood gig. We didn’t really start off talking about vaccination and the pros and cons surrounding it. It was much more a general approach of things. But she suddenly picked up the subject and got caught up in it. She started going on and on about the potential risks and what massive harm a vaccine could do to a child. I listened. Some things go deep when you are a new mom. Especially when it’s about the well-being of your child.

Many things were mentioned, autism, side effects and even the glorious argument that “we survived going through measles and such when we were kids and it only made us stronger” kind of argument. I remember sitting there after she’d left with a brain in overdrive. And I remember thinking “yes, it’s true, we had measles, rubella and even whooping cough and survived”. With a visit at the doctor coming up for a checkup on the development of our son and also vaccinations due it suddenly became a big thing for me. I actually got to the point where I thought that it would be more beneficial for him to actually go through all of it rather then preventing it by a vaccine.

And then I saw the doctor.

She was a lovely lady. She must have picked up on my insecurity and when we came to the point where it was about vaccinating our son, she asked me if I had any concerns and so I asked her why vaccinate all those things? Why do it while knowing that we all went through it and came out fine. I think the answer she gave me was one of the best arguments pro vaccination I’ve ever heard.

She looked at me and told me that for us, living in a first world country and having the health system we have having one of the illnesses mentioned above wouldn’t be such a huge issue. She told me that they would be treatable and in that sense a vaccination could be seen as senseless. And then there was her but.

It’s a different story for third world countries. She told showed me stats of how many children would pass away from something as “simple” as measles (not even mentioning whooping cough). I thought how brutal those stats were but then it was far away, so what would a vaccine here change?

It changes a lot.

We travel a lot. We travel to countries that don’t have a first world status, countries that don’t have the health system we are used to. And we spread the diseases. It’s about providing those kids with a chance too. It’s about getting on top of diseases like these to make sure they disappear. To make sure they don’t take a babies life anymore. And I was sold.

I agree with the anti-vaccers to a certain point. You are responsible for your child. You can’t argue with that.

But you are also responsible for the well-being of others and if you or your child cause a risk for other peoples health then it’s up to you to do something about it. I will not though argue with someone who decides not to vaccinate their children. It is their decision. But I will also not accept criticism for vaccinating my children. It’s my decision.

As much as I hate watching doctors or nurses stick needles in my children, I want them vaccinated.

I picked up a story in the news yesterday about Victoria’s Health Minister being trolled by anti-vaccination movement online. You can listen to her reading out loud what people said to her. It’s disgusting. To only mention a tiny bit of it: There were calls to execute the “sickness minister”, who is labelled a “lying fβ€”tard shill”, an “evil bitch” and a “criminal”.

Β “You should get all the poison vaccines the child gets in one shot,” one tweeted. “Hope you get cancer soon.”
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A bit low, don’t you think?

See, what gets to me is the aggression once more and the fact that because of this aggression all the arguments pro or con are wasted. They disappear into the smoke all those attacks leave behind. I wonder what people think when they put stuff like this out there? Do they really think it helps their cause? Do they really think they will get anywhere by acting like this?

I miss the constructive discussion, the balancing off of the pros and cons, the real discussion. The discussion that actually leads to more. May it be the understanding of a anti-vaxxer for someone who chooses to vaccinate or the other way around. I simply don’t understand the hate and the aggression.

I actually don’t understand the hate and aggression coming form that side, from the anti-vaccination movement. It really doesn’t make a difference for them if people choose to vaccinate. But it makes a difference for people if people decide NOT to vaccinate.

If you want to keep your child at risk of catching whooping cough then it’s your decision. I don’t want my child to go through it and I will do everything to make sure they both don’t have to. So I want the risks to be minimized. It’s how our society rolls, as stupid as it might sound. There are rules. Rules that are put in place because they suit the well-being of society. So if a school or a child care center decides to have a vaccination policy in place, you need to accept it. After all it’s not as if they force being vegetarian or eating meat on you. It’s about diseases and trying to eliminate them and not putting others at risk.

So stop the hate. Do what you think is right for you and for your family and leave others who do not think like you alone. Find a solution that works for you and don’t force your opinion on others.

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33 thoughts on “About Vaccinations And Aggressive Behavior…

  1. You know, this is the first post that I have seen on the subject where your opinion is stated and there is know bashing. Great job! I am a nurse, so I clearly strong pro vaccination opinions. I have seen posts and discussions where others say mean things like I am not responsible for other kids, just my own. I disagree mush like you, we have a duty to not only protect our children but those in the community and other countries. Great post πŸ™‚

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  2. Very interesting post Momma πŸ™‚ Although I don’t have kids (and probably won’t in the future) I thought about vaccination many times, while talking with friends who do have children…

    I kept my thoughts to myself most times (because of the sickening “you don’t have kids” argument I get every time I am not in synch with parents’ opinions… I know I can’t understand all the realities being a parent implies, but I do still have a brain……. anyway!) and I very much agree with your point of view. I like that point your doctor brought on the table, to remind how our First World problems had impacts in less wealthy parts of the world.

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the subject πŸ™‚

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    • Thanks for reading and for sharing your thoughts. I think the vaccination thing is not just for parents but also for each and everyone of us. Flu shots and so on. It’s a decision we have to make and own. And we have to consider others too…

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  3. I think at the end of the day it comes down to a choice that the parent makes. That being said I don’t think anyone should chastise or “troll” someone for making their choice. Ultimately we will pay the price (good or bad) for the decisions we make in life. Take responsibility and accept ownership.

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  4. God…. how I thought about this whole subject too when the kids were small. It is true: we not only may protect ourselves but much more those who we could infect. Just thinking of the chicken pocks and pregnant women! But it still is a difficult subject. I know kids who suffer from dramatic side effects of vaccinations. I I gave my kids all the suggested shots because I was not more of an expert than their pediatrician. I think that in the first place you need to trust the doctor and discuss this all!

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    • True. And yet, in a way it’s good to question. Don’t you think? I just don’t get the aggression in this matter. In the end it’s the responsibility of the parent and we all only want the best for our kids. So that’s how we decide. If for me the best is to vaccinate then that’s how it is. If for someone else it’s not, then that’s how it is for them.

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      • Yes, I asked the doctor too and due to many other discussions with him I trusted that it was ok. He also did not suggest vaccinations for each and everyting. But he always explained everything very understandable which gave me a good feeling. I did not know it any better on both sides. True, I cannot deal with the fanatic opinions about it (in both ways). I see it the same way, everybody needs to do what they feel ok with!

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  5. Working in Pediatrics for 30 years (eek – that sounds like such a long time) I have become ill with both Rubella and Pertussis (Whooping Cough). I experienced whooping cough several years ago. Yes, I have been immunized but I am one of those strange people that doesn’t seem to convert, or build immunity with some vaccines. Both of these illnesses are horrible. I can say that it is not just whether or not one chooses to vaccinate their child, but that they choose to protect the entire population, herd immunity. Babies die from whooping cough, even today, in the United States, women have babies with congenital anomalies, because they have been exposed to Rubella from unvaccinated individuals while pregnant. It is just such a selfish decision on the part of certain parents. Enough said!!!

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    • Precisely, SD Gates. Yes, 3rd world countries need protection from us, but so the children in our respective countries. Some have allergies to the vaccine ingredients. We can protect them by vaccinating our own. People today can say “we had such and such and survived it okay” only because they haven’t seen the effects of what those diseases can do, how many they’ve already killed and how many have been left with severe disabilities in a time before it could all be prevented.

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      • See, I trust in all those studies. Until someone can show me a couple of studies proving that vaccinations actually do harm I will not question the vaccination schedule. It’s necessary for everyone. So far all the “proof” the anti-vaccination could come up with was a big lie…

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      • There is always a risk involved with every kind of medicine we take. But there is also always a risk involved with every food we eat… So why going overboard with triggering fear in others if you don’t have the facts to prove it?…

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  6. The Philippines was saved from catastrophic polio virus in the 50’s by the government’s aggressive immunization campaign , ( almost all children were vaccinated ). It was so successful that common children’s diseases were eliminated and hailed by the World Health Organization as a model for other countries to follow. Even children living in the hinterlands were vaccinated . Decades after, did something happen to the children who were vaccinated ? No.

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  7. Excellent article about a difficult subject. The way the Victorian Health Minister was treated was terrible and fruitless. It was upsetting just watching it on the ABC news. A respectful, dignified, informed approach would have resulted in a more effective argument.

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  8. When I moved to Tennessee, I met a family who had a child with autism. He is now a relatively independent and self sufficient student who studies Animation & VFX at Exceptional Minds Studio in California. His parents did not try to place blame for his diagnosis on vaccinations and were passionate fighters to help him get the education and support he would need to reach this result, and to extend their efforts to his fellow students. Autism Speaks, an autism advocacy organization in the United States that sponsors autism research and conducts awareness and outreach activities aimed at families, governments, has issued this public statement on vaccinations:
    “Over the last two decades, extensive research has asked whether there is any link between childhood vaccinations and autism. The results of this research are clear: Vaccines do not cause autism.
    Scientific research has not directly connected autism to vaccines. Vaccines are very important. Parents must make the decision whether to vaccinate their children. Efforts must be continually made to educate parents about vaccine safety. If parents decide not to vaccinate they must be aware of the consequences in their community and their local schools.”
    After a similar brouhaha on the subject as you’ve described in Australia, the state of California, which is known for its progressiveness on the subjects of education and inclusion, enacted a law last year stating that personal and religious belief exemptions will not be allowed in California, effective July 1, 2016. However, if a parent files a letter or affidavit stating beliefs opposed to immunization prior to Jan. 1, 2016 that exemption will apply until the next grade span.
    For a lot of chemicals, including those that are added to the foods we eat, the fuel we use, etc., the effects of use can only be applied to a population in general, where the benefits must greatly outweigh the risks before they are approved for use. There are the rare few individuals who may be more negatively effected than most, who cannot be identified until they have had an adverse reaction. It is therefore up to the parent or individual to mount that unique fight to make their case for that rare exemption.

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    • I’m all for having freedom in the decisions you have to make for you and your child. But I also think that we need to consider everyone else around us and especially the weaker among us. Thanks for sharing this! Once more a great comment coming from you πŸ™‚


  9. It’s an easy solution but such a difficult subject to bring up. It’s enlightening that you have been on both sides of the fence and I do find it hard to talk with those who would impose on the dangers of vaccinations. For me, vaccination is a no-brainer. Along with our cats and they are all vaccinated. It;s our duty to also protect others by being vaccinated.

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  10. Brilliant post. I was actually scared like you as a new mom and my son’s doctor reassured me. I think just like with any argument that people are passionate about they go overboard and the whole point of their argument is lost in their hatred that the person disagrees with them. Do what’s best for your child.

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